[Ren laughs at that, like he sympathises to some degree.] With me it's Vanguard, but I don't think I've talked to many of the people I've met here from Japan about that either...

[Still, it's as ubiquitous as any given spectator sport in his world, so to hear no mention of it at all is certainly a little bit weird.]

I guess there's a lot of things we might think are universal but turn out not to be.