[See, now that makes a whole lot more sense than it did when she started talking. Ren actually laughs a little at that now that the full circumstances have come up.]

Oh, I certainly know people who are like that... [Too headstrong for their own good, but the people he knew were usually good enough at their chosen pursuit to get away with it.] That's a shame to hear, though. Even if technology can do it as well, I think there should always be a place for magic in any world that has it.

[His own doesn't, but he has the example of Cray to work from, which did quite a good job of fusing the two, he always thought.]